Daily Press Briefing Richard Boucher, Spokesman Washington, DC January 27, 2005 INDEX:
TRANSCRIPT: 12:50 p.m. EST
MR. BOUCHER: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to
the State Department briefing; and we were all very happy today to welcome
our new Secretary, Secretary Rice, this morning to the lobby at the State
Department when she came in. And she is here and actively working with all
of us on the foreign policy agenda. I'd like to do two things at the top. One is to continue my daily
series of numbers and facts about the Iraqi election. And the second,
then, will be to talk to you about travel. So let me do the Iraqi election
update first. Preparations, of course, are continuing. They are on schedule for the
Iraqi election on Sunday. The focus, now, is moving to preparations at the
local level. We know that 40 percent of the local polling centers already
have their election materials -- some of those materials I talked about
yesterday. The media badging at the election center continues there, so we now
have 1,200 media representatives who have been accredited to date, most of
which are Iraqi and Pan-Arab journalists. So we welcome the widespread
attention that the election in Iraq is getting in the Arab world. The recruitment of polling staff is complete in most governates and the
training of poll workers is in progress. Most of the recruiting for Anbar
province is being done outside the province, as you might expect. I'd like
to talk a little bit about the situation in a couple of the more difficult
areas: Anbar province, there are 950 poll workers for Anbar; for the
provinces of Nineveh and Anbar, registration is being allowed on election
day, which is unlike other places in the country. And for the people who
live in the provinces of Anbar and Nineveh, residents can also go to any
voting center in the province to vote, again, unlike other places in Iraq.
And finally, the people who have been displaced from the province by
violence or other reasons will find three polling centers set up
specifically for them in Baghdad. So this is part of the effort not only
to provide security for the election and the opportunity for the election
throughout Iraq, but to make sure that we took into account -- that the
Iraqi Election Commission is taking into account -- the security situation
that exists in a few parts of Iraq, and to provide even more opportunity
for people who may live in those areas, recognizing the difficulties they
might normally face in voting. So I will stop there for the moment. If there are any questions about
this, we can do that and then move on to the travel issue. QUESTION: I don't want to question you as far as your use of
pronouns, but when you said, "we have 1,200 media registered," do you
mean, is it the Iraqis who are handling media registration? MR. BOUCHER: I think -- no, I'm glad you do question me on that
because I think, actually, the election center and the media badging is
being done by the Iraqis and that they have 1,200 media representatives.
QUESTION: The U.S. hasn't rejected anybody or asked the Iraqis
not to allow -- MR. BOUCHER: No, not at all, that I'm aware of. This -- and I
should emphasize again, I should have said, "they have" because this is
very much an Iraqi process. They are running the election. It's their
Election Commission that's running it. It's their tally center, their
polling centers and their media center; and they're in charge of it. QUESTION: On the election, quickly, Prime Minister Erdogan of
Turkey today, I think at Davos, said that he didn't think the election
will be "fully democratic." Are you sure that all the neighbors of Iraq
and the other countries in the neighborhood will actually recognize the
results out of that election? MR. BOUCHER: I don't know that there's any formal process of
recognizing the results, first of all. What we've found is that many of
the neighbors are looking forward to working -- have been working very
well -- with an Iraqi government, with the existing Iraqi government, the
Interim Government that was chosen, as you know, through a process of
consultation and selection, and have looked forward to having a government
that had a more broad and firmer democratic base in terms of an election.
And so nobody is claiming this is going to be the perfect election. We
all know there is violence. There are people trying to stop it. But this
is a major milestone. This is going to be the first election that Iraqis
have had to choose their own leaders. These leaders that will emerge, this
assembly that will emerge from this election, are going to have that
additional basis of legitimacy to call upon as they operate for Iraq, as
they represent Iraq in the international arena, and as they fight the
insurgencies and the violence and overcome the other problems inside Iraq.
So it is a major step forward, and I think everybody will recognize, if
you want to put it in the generic way, that these people who will be
elected come with more of a popular base of support and more legitimacy
than any previous Iraqi government. QUESTION: Richard, there has been sharp criticism, from a top UN
commissioner saying basically that the U.S. forces has been distributing
materials to Iraqis -- MR. BOUCHER: I think there's been a subsequent explanation by
the United Nations as well of what she meant to say. QUESTION: But is it -- I mean, is the U.S. forces distributing
materials to people there? MR. BOUCHER: I have certainly seen pictures of people,
Americans, distributing election materials, and that has occurred in some
places at some times. But exactly how much and how often, you'd have to
get the military to give you that sort of accounting. It is important, we think, this sort of -- voter education has been
very important to us. We've seen a very large effort on the part of the
Iraqi Election Commission to do that. Again, the Iraqis are spearheading
that effort. They've produced TV ads. They've produced materials. They've
done briefings. They've put instructions in newspapers, done videotapes on
how to vote. There's a very broad voter education effort that is underway
and, indeed, we have noted in a few instances some U.S. forces have
distributed voter education materials. But as to how widespread that might have been and where they might have
done it, I'll leave it to the military to explain. QUESTION: But, will we understand the need to secure these
places? I mean, don't you think that the U.S. forces should step back so
they don't look like they're running the show? MR. BOUCHER: I think you will see on election day that most of
the security is being provided by the Iraqis and the Iraqi forces. There
are obviously places where U.S. forces might be needed, but -- or
coalition forces might be needed, but again, the Iraqi responsibility for
the elections, the Iraqi efforts to provide security for the election
places is paramount and clearly, they're in the lead. QUESTION: Richard, is there -- going off her question, are there
any members of the State Department or anyone affiliated with the State
Department who are distributing these leaflets or this education material?
MR. BOUCHER: You mean actually handing them out on the streets?
I don't know. QUESTION: Or organizing that they would be available? MR. BOUCHER: We do a lot of support for voter education:
National Democratic Institute, International Republican Institute, all the
sort of -- National Endowment for Democracy-type organizations, various
NGOs. You know, we do that all over the world and with government funds
and so, yes, the U.S. Government has been active in supporting the voter
education programs in Iraq. But the -- much of that effort is being
spearheaded; I'd have to say, by the Iraqis. QUESTION: But is it being coordinated with the military? Is
there any sort of a correlation here that there is some State Department
or affiliation with the State Department is helping out on this effort?
MR. BOUCHER: I will -- you know, I'll have to check if there's
any particular coordination with the military, but I really think this is
an on-the-ground question: Of the Iraqis on the ground; the election
commission on the ground; how they are running their voter education
projects and producing their voter education materials with support from
us and others. And then second of all, to what extent the U.S. military might have
been assisting in that role is a question on the ground for the U.S.
military, not something back here. QUESTION: But you will get back on this question? MR. BOUCHER: If we have anything. I'm not promising I can get it
back here. It's really more an out-there sort of issue. And as you know,
we do get information, and we'll see if we get it. Charlie. QUESTION: This may fall in the same category, but more
specifically, will there be any State Department monitors out at polling
places from the Embassy or from the other posts outside of Baghdad? MR. BOUCHER: The bulk of monitoring for any election,
particularly this one, is domestic. People -- I've talked before about the
observers, the agents, the parties, all the various people who will be
monitoring the people trained for polling places duty. There's something
-- when you add it all up, I've talked about 25,000 specifically trained
in recent weeks, but when you add it all up, there's something like 55,000
different observers and monitors and agents who will be at the polls in
addition to the poll workers. So that there will be a lot of monitors
there. Certainly, our Embassy and our people in Iraq will be collecting
reports and information as it comes to them about what's going on at the
various polling places. But whether they actually have plans to sort of
hop in cars and drive out to the different polling places, I just don’t
know. I am not sure I would want to talk about it for security reasons,
but we'll see. QUESTION: If I can just follow up there, Richard. All these
reports that are coming in, is there somebody going to be in charge of
correlating those reports and making some actual definitive assessment
about the -- MR. BOUCHER: Yeah, the Iraqi Election Commission. QUESTION: The Iraqi Election -- MR. BOUCHER: I mean, it's their election. They're going to be
making the first assessments and collecting any allegations one way or the
other on how voting is going, on problems that might have arisen and that
sort of thing. QUESTION: All right. Okay. And is the United States willing to
accept whatever the Iraqi Election Commission says -- MR. BOUCHER: I -- we'll obviously look at all the reports. We'll
look at what kind of adjustments and analysis they do. QUESTION: Richard? MR. BOUCHER: Okay. QUESTION: Is there a minimum -- sorry. What's the minimum you
look for on the turnout in terms of participation or percentage-wise to
consider this election successful or legitimate or -- MR. BOUCHER: We don't do that in the United States; we don't do
it in France; we don’t do it in Germany; we don't do it in Malaysia; we
don't do it in Indonesia. I'm not going to do it in Iraq. QUESTION: But technically speaking, I mean, it looks like 50
percent-- MR. BOUCHER: You don’t judge an election by a minimum turnout.
There's not a -- that's not the way anybody anywhere in the world judges
elections, so I don't know why that standard is being applied to Iraq. The
fact is the Iraqis are having the first election in their history. The
fact is, they're electing people who will be able to continue the process
of writing a constitution, moving on to even larger and more
constitutionally based elections at the end of the year. We think that's a
great process, and it's underway and it will be really solidly founded by
having an election on Sunday. And that's what we're looking at. Yeah. QUESTION: A follow-up question about the monitors. You said it
will be up to the Independent Election -- Electoral Commission of Iraq to
make the determination about charges of fraud and abuse and allegation,
yet they are the ones running the election. And that is not a standard
that we've accepted in other places, including the recently concluded
elections in Ukraine. Why are we not -- MR. BOUCHER: Whatever organization does this, there's -- in
addition to the Iraqi Election Commission, there's -- what's the other
abbreviation? I can't remember. A PARTICIPANT: The IMEI*. MR. BOUCHER: The IMEI, the Monitoring, the Iraqi -- there is a
monitoring body as well -- QUESTION: From Jordan, right? A number of them are going to be
-- MR. BOUCHER: -- the international monitoring that's involved.
Every election that we've seen around the world has different people
observing it, different people watching it, different people making
judgments on it. One doesn't -- the people in charge of the election are
the, first and foremost, the people who are responsible -- we've made that
clear everywhere -- in collecting any reports of problems or difficulties
or things that might have disadvantaged voting or fraud and abuse, if that
is alleged. And they have the first responsibility to collect those
reports, look into everything and make sure it's understood and make sure
it's explained and investigated properly and corrected, if possible. So I
don't think that's different than anywhere else in the world. One's judgment on any particular election, on how smoothly it proceeded
and how fairly it proceeded, is always based on a combination of things:
Their own reports, as well as what the international monitors say, as well
as what the press reports say. I mean, this is going to be a heavily
reported election. You've got 1,200 press people reporting on this
election as well. They're as good as any monitors, maybe, if I might
hazard a guess, a little more prone to reporting allegations or problems.
So I think we'll all have adequate information to look at when this, as
this election proceeds, to understand what happened. QUESTION: But there won't be any international monitors working
for the IEMI, I believe is the acronym of the group, in Iraq itself. MR. BOUCHER: That doesn't necessarily prevent information from
coming out. There will be plenty of information about how this election
proceeds. I don't think anybody worries about that. Yeah. QUESTION: Richard, can you talk about any polls done by the U.S.
Government in terms of what parties might be coming out on top? There are
some reports that recent polls by the U.S. Government show that the --
Ayatollah Sistani's United Iraq -- MR. BOUCHER: The simple -- before you go any farther, the answer
is no. I'm not getting into any -- QUESTION: The U.S. Government isn't doing any polls? MR. BOUCHER: There's plenty of polling done. There's reports of
polling that we see in the press and in Iraq. We're not making any
predictions. The outcome of this election is going to be decided by the
Iraqi voters, and we're looking forward to seeing how they decide. QUESTION: Okay. But is the U.S. Government doing its own polls
on lists? MR. BOUCHER: We have seen a lot of polling in Iraq, and that's
as far as I'll go. Yeah. QUESTION: Do you have a general idea as to when the Iraqis will
actually complete tabulating the votes? MR. BOUCHER: I think it's a matter of days. It's not
immediately, I know. QUESTION: There was an original estimate of February 15th that
the White House was talking about. Is that still on the table? MR. BOUCHER: I’ll tell you what, the Iraqi Election Commission
has done a briefing every morning, I think -- maybe not this morning, but
I know they addressed the issue in yesterday's briefing. They are probably
the best place to give you the best possible estimate of that. Do you want to talk about travel? All right. Between February 3rd and
February 10th, Secretary Rice will visit eight European countries, as well
as Israel and the West Bank. The trip is -- the trip comes in advance of
the President's visit to Europe between February 22nd and 25, so she'll
take this opportunity to advance the President's agenda and the United
States agenda in cooperation with our European friends and allies. She will visit the United Kingdom, Germany, Poland, Turkey, Israel,
Italy, France, Belgium and Luxembourg. Let me go through sort of four or
five basic goals of the trip, and then give you a flavor for what she
intends. QUESTION: Is this the order, Richard, in which she's going to
visit them? MR. BOUCHER: It's the approximate order in which she intends to
visit, but not every detail is pinned down yet, so I can't attach
countries, places or dates quite yet. During the course of her visit, she intends to promote President Bush's
vision of democracy and freedom as the keys to peace and prosperity. She
will work to identify a common agenda for 2005 with our European partners
and our partners in the Middle East -- an agenda of fighting terrorism,
proliferation, disease and poverty, as we support democracy in
Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere. She will coordinate with European partners and institutions to support
reform in the broader Middle East and North Africa. She looks forward to
working with European allies to advance the Middle East peace process, and
she expects to support development of European institutions while in
Europe. I would note, as well, that Secretary Rice and Deputy
Secretary-designate Zoellick would expect to visit all NATO capitals, as
well as European Union institutions in Brussels by -- before the spring.
That's one of their goals they've set for themselves as they come on. And
this will be a start for that with eight European countries, as well as
Israel and the West Bank. So that's the basics of the trip, and heading off after the State of
the Union on February 3rd. George. QUESTION: Could you be more specific about what she wants
concerning Iraq? MR. BOUCHER: I think, at this moment, we'll probably leave it to
describe it in general terms, frankly, each of these goals. We know that NATO is involved in training in Iraq. Training and
security issues are, of course, paramount on the agenda and we'll always
be looking with NATO at how they can continue to achieve their training
goals in Iraq. In addition, we've seen a number of European countries
that, in different ways, are training policemen or other security
personnel for Iraq, and that's also going to be, I'm sure, a subject of
discussion with some of them. Yeah. QUESTION: Richard, can you give us more detail on what, exactly,
that she would hope to accomplish in Israel and the West Bank and whom she
will meet? MR. BOUCHER: Not yet. She will meet leaders on both sides,
Israeli and Palestinian leaders. She will, first of all, look to hear from
them about the opportunities and how they're proceeding. This will be her
first trip there as Secretary of State, although she is very familiar with
the people and the issues. But I would also say that this is a chance for her to hear from them
about all the things they have been doing, about how they see the
opportunities, and of course, as the President has said, she’ll convey the
President's commitment and our desire to take advantage of every
opportunity to move forward towards peace. QUESTION: She said in her confirmation hearings that she
expected to "personally" take a hand in seeking to promote peace in the
Middle East. And I wonder if you would expect that she will be going back
regularly, or if this is just something to sort of shake things off at the
start of her new job and not necessarily something that she'll be doing on
a regular basis. MR. BOUCHER: Well, I want to announce one trip at a time. But I
would note the President, in his interview yesterday with Al Arabiya,
mentioned that he was sending her to London to the Palestinian conference
being planned -- the conference on Palestinian reform that's being planned
for London in early March. So, I think this trip and that trip and the
other efforts that you've seen her make in the past and would -- she would
expect to make in the future will be a sign of her ongoing personal
involvement in the process of, as I said, taking advantage of every
opportunity to move forward. QUESTION: And you can't say now whether she would expect to meet
either President Mahmoud Abbas or Prime Minister Sharon? MR. BOUCHER: I would expect she would meet with senior leaders
on both sides, but we don't have the -- every meeting pinned down. I'm not
in a position to give you schedules for any particular stop yet. QUESTION: Richard, would you expect that the Iranian nuclear
talks and the Chinese arms embargo would figure prominently in her
discussions in Europe? MR. BOUCHER: There are many issues, many of which I have
outlined. I told you one of them is to identify the agenda on fighting
terrorism, fighting proliferation. Certainly, the Iranian nuclear issue
and where the Europeans stand in terms of getting Iran to abide by
international norms will be on the agenda. We've always discussed the
issue of their arms embargo in China with European countries in the past,
in recent meetings; I would expect that to come up again. But remember, this is her first trip as Secretary of State in this
capacity, and a lot of this is coming before the President's trip. And
therefore, what's important is to set a sort of active agenda with the
Europeans to focus on the things we can do together this year and the
things that they can do together with the President this year. So. We'll work back. QUESTION: If I could ask quickly, if you know, do you have a
sense of how her day's been going so far and what sort of things she's
been doing since -- MR. BOUCHER: Great. QUESTION: Did she find her office? MR. BOUCHER: Found her office, no problem. She spent a little
while this morning after she came in, and I think you saw her sort of
meeting people and shaking hands in the lobby. Spent a little time
upstairs at her office, but -- meeting the people on the seventh floor and
kind of wandering around and looking and seeing what people were up to and
how they -- meeting all the various people that support her as the
Secretariat. She's had some White House meetings. She's been making phone calls. I
think you might have heard that she was going to call a number of European
and other foreign ministers. And she's already connected with Foreign
Minister Lavrov. That was fairly early this morning. She's connected with
Italian Foreign Minister Fini, connected with Pakistani President
Musharraf, and I expect her to continue making phone calls to other
colleagues throughout the day just by way of checking in and starting off
some of these relationships or continuing some of these relationships in a
new capacity. And she looks forward to seeing many of them during the
course of her visit when it comes to Europe. I would note as well, this afternoon, she'll come down to the bureaus
-- to the East Asia Bureau and meet with a group of people, not just from
that bureau, but the different departments that have been working on
tsunami relief. That's one of the issues that she wanted to work on
directly as she started. Yesterday, while still in the transition offices, she met with people
to talk about the Iraqi elections and how the preparations were going for
that. She met with people to talk about the Sudan peace and all the things
that we're going to have to do now with the conclusion of the Sudan peace
and where we go next on a lot of those issues. So, she has been in transition having these meetings to focus on major
issues. And today, as Secretary, she's coming down to the East Asia Bureau
to talk about tsunami relief with all the people from the different
bureaus of the department that do that. QUESTION: Richard, did she meet with Dov Weisglass today? Is she
planning on meeting him? And now that she's here, -- MR. BOUCHER: I'm not aware that she has. I'll have to check. Is
he in town? QUESTION: I think he is -- was supposed to be. Now that she's
here, can you talk about her meeting with the Israeli foreign minister
yesterday? And did any -- MR. BOUCHER: I think the simple answer is no, she wasn't here
when she met him. I assume the NSC did the appropriate briefing on that,
but no, I don't have anything new on that. I forgot to ask her about it,
frankly. Sorry. QUESTION: Does she have a Chief of Staff yet? MR. BOUCHER: She's got a staff, yes. QUESTION: Chief of Staff? MR. BOUCHER: I'll see if there are any personnel announcements
to make on her behalf on the -- QUESTION: Richard, you alluded to White House meetings in her
schedule. Was she over there? Was there something that she did -- a
conference? I thought you alluded to -- MR. BOUCHER: As you all know, there are regular White House
meetings on various topics, and she went over there for one today. We'll
get to that. That's -- no, I can't. White House would have to do that.
QUESTION: Do you have anything that you can tell me about the
conversation with Fini? MR. BOUCHER: I would say it was certainly a friendly
conversation. They look forward to working together, and they look forward
to seeing each other soon. QUESTION: And do you have the date of the stop in Rome? MR. BOUCHER: No. I don't have dates and places quite yet. We're
still working on it. QUESTION: And will you be staying on -- MR. BOUCHER: I said, we're going to Italy. QUESTION: And will you be staying on as her press spokesman?
MR. BOUCHER: I'll be here for some transition until she decides
it's time to have somebody else do this job. QUESTION: Can you talk at all about her conversation with
President Musharraf and if she talked about President Bush's plan to
spread freedom in places that aren't necessarily democratic? MR. BOUCHER: I think it's best to characterize these calls as
sort of touching base with people. They're talking about working together;
they're talking about keeping in touch. Certainly, our support for
democracy in Pakistan has been well known, well expressed, and it will be
a continuing issue on our agenda. But I'd say that call, like the others,
is pretty much just touching base and talking about how they can work
together on many issues in the future. QUESTION: Well, the Indians are going to say, why didn't she
call them? MR. BOUCHER: She's still in the process of making phone calls,
so don't anybody start getting -- feeling that she's calling somebody and
not somebody else. She's just -- has a number of calls she wants to make.
QUESTION: I was just trying to help you out. MR. BOUCHER: Thank you. Appreciate it, George. I need it. QUESTION: On Dr. Rice's, Secretary Rice's trip to Europe, you
mentioned that she's going to be coordinating with the Europeans about
working on the Middle East peace process. When you mention the Middle East
peace process, is that a comprehensive peace that would include Syria and
Lebanon, or what we hear recently, as though it has to do only with the
Palestinians and the Israelis? MR. BOUCHER: Well, it's obviously -- excuse me. Our interest in
a comprehensive peace has not changed and certainly that is our goal and
that is what we are working for. I would think that the facts on the
ground show that there is more promise and opportunity through the actions
of the Palestinian leadership and the Israeli leadership at this moment;
and that's where she is -- will be concentrating on this trip. Okay. Yeah. QUESTION: I have a -- I have a question about Canadian Maher
Arar, if I could? MR. BOUCHER: Can we go on to something else, guys? Okay. QUESTION: Today, a Canadian newspaper, the Toronto Star,
released a letter that shows that the U.S. decision to deport Maher Arar
to Syria was based on Canadian intelligence. Why is the State Department,
then, not cooperating with the Canadian inquiry into this matter? MR. BOUCHER: I don't really have any updates for you on this. I
think it's a matter we've expressed ourselves on many times in the past,
and I'm just afraid I'm not prepared to entertain new allegations on it at
this point. Sir. QUESTION: On Mexico. The Mexican Government have received with
disappointment the Public Announcement in regards to the security along
the border. I would like to know if you can elaborate on the reasons for
this Public Announcement and if you have received any complaint or call
from the Mexican Government? MR. BOUCHER: The -- I think we're certainly aware of Mexican
views on the issue. We do feel it's important to tell Americans about the
security situation near the border. There are a great many people visit
back and forth, and we do note that a vast, vast majority of visitors,
whether they're Americans coming to Mexico or Mexicans coming to the
United States, visit without any mishaps or difficulties. But there have been some incidents that have occurred. I think we're
aware of 27 incidents involving abductions of Americans and that we know 2
of those Americans were killed and 11 remain missing; 14 were eventually
released. So it's something that people need to be aware of. We're not
saying anything particular, other than making people aware of those facts.
In terms of our cooperation with the Mexicans, I would say that we've
worked closely with Mexican authorities to take the appropriate steps to
ensure the safety and the security of U.S. citizens in Mexico. And in
situations where Americans are victims of crime, we do follow those cases
very closely as the Mexican authorities try to arrest and prosecute those
who are responsible. QUESTION: The Mexican Government was questioning the basis for
the mentioning of lack of funds for police, judicial system, weak and
inefficient. Can you elaborate a little bit more, sir, about it? MR. BOUCHER: Well, I can't, really. I think some of the problems
we allude to are fairly well discussed and known and debated, even within
Mexico. So I really don't think we're making any new revelations here.
It's just a situation we felt Americans should be aware of. We do work
with the Mexicans very closely on the safety of Americans. We provide --
we work with the Mexicans on improvements to the police and judicial
system. We do joint training. We do programs together. So there's a lot of
back and forth on these things so that we can all have the kind of safety
and security that we look for, both in the United States and in Mexico.
QUESTION: In the letter of Ambassador Garza to Mexican
officials, he is offering some help from the U.S. How U.S. can help? Do
you believe that maybe expedite the extraditions can be can be a good
measure, or maybe -- MR. BOUCHER: I think there are a lot of ways that we do work
with Mexico and we're happy to help with Mexican Government on ensuring
security for their citizens and others who visit. So we have a lot of
ongoing programs. We do training, technical assistance with Mexican law
enforcement. The number I have is, in 2004 we sponsored over a hundred
training courses attended by more than 4,000 Mexican police officers and
prosecutors, working on everything from criminal investigations,
anti-corruption, border safety, forensics, kidnapping, hostage
negotiations, there's a whole gamut of police techniques and police
training. So we have programs like that that we have and will continue. We have
basic police and judicial cooperation, and we do talk to the Mexican
Government about what kind of things they make their priorities, where
they think they can use our assistance or our expertise. And that's really
-- these programs are designed in conjunction with the Mexican Government.
QUESTION: Finally, do you have any reports in regards to the
possible interview between President Fox and President Bush? MR. BOUCHER: I wouldn't have anything on that over here. That
would be a White House question. Same region? QUESTION: Yeah. Can -- oh, okay. MR. BOUCHER: Same country. QUESTION: Same country. That beats same region. MR. BOUCHER: I'll see your same region and bid you same country.
QUESTION: Same question? (Laughter.) MR. BOUCHER: Yeah. QUESTION: You referred to 27 abductions. Were they all in the
northern border region of Mexico? MR. BOUCHER: At least 27 Americans citizens have been abducted
along the border over the past six months. QUESTION: Six months. MR. BOUCHER: This number does not include "express kidnappings,"
if you want to know, where American citizens are abducted for a short
period of time, forced to withdraw large sums from ATMs before being
released. That's also a crime that we've seen occur in these areas. QUESTION: Thank you. MR. BOUCHER: Yes. QUESTION: Can you talk about support for former El Salvadoran
President Flores for Secretary General of the OAS? MR. BOUCHER: I can, right? We were -- (laughter). Well, we
wanted to make the announcement first to the people at the OAS. QUESTION: I think you did. MR. BOUCHER: I think we probably did. If you know about it, then
we probably did. The United States supports the candidacy of Francisco Flores, former
President of El Salvador, for Secretary General of the Organization of
American States. President Flores is a dynamic former head of state. He
has the political acumen, the regional stature, the administrative skills
and the experience needed to lead the Western Hemisphere's most important
multilateral organization. As a committed democrat and multilateralist, President Flores embodies
the values that we think underpin the work of the Organization of American
States, and we're letting other countries in the region know of our
support for President Flores for this very important position. QUESTION: Several months ago, Secretary Powell, and I think you
and Adam, both, said that the U.S. would support a consensus candidate in
the region if one emerged. Do you see him as this consensus candidate at
this point? MR. BOUCHER: I don't know if there's full consensus yet. We
would certainly hope so. We also made clear that our hope was to support a
Central American candidate, and so President Flores, we believe, has the
support of Central American governments. David. QUESTION: Same region. There was a report in one of the papers
this morning about a sting operation involving Nicaraguan forces, also
with the United States involved. And there's an implication there -- a
sting operation for the purchase of Russian, or Soviet-era anti-aircraft
missiles, and there's an implication there that there's a market somewhere
for that sort of thing. Can you talk about the specific case, or in
general about it? MR. BOUCHER: I think a couple of things, going from the most
general to the more specific. Worldwide, the United States has been very concerned about the issue of
manpads, and we've had a number of programs, whether it's with individual
countries or in organizations like APEC, where we're looking to control
these missiles that can be used against aircraft. In Nicaragua we have worked with the government of President Bolanos.
He gave assurances to President Bush and former Secretary of State Powell
in 2003 that Nicaragua would destroy all of its man portable air defense
systems in order to reduce the chance that they might fall into the hands
of criminals or terrorists. And we commend Nicaraguan authorities for
successfully recovering one of their manpads, in this case a Russian-made
SA-7, during a criminal investigation that culminated this month. Our Drug
Enforcement Administration assisted them with that investigation. We will continue to work with them. We have the State Department's
Office of Weapons Removal -- of Weapons and Removal -- that is responsible
for obtaining foreign governments' cooperation in destroying their excess
manpads or better securing them against theft. And we are working with
Nicaragua to help them destroy their stock of manpads. QUESTION: This seems to imply that they didn't destroy them all
because there were at least one out there. I think this report I was
referring to has suggested that there was some unhappiness on the part of
the United States about that. MR. BOUCHER: I think the reports of this particular thing
indicate that there might -- there are allegations or suspicions that
there might be some stockpile that's held by the military or other
parties. And we have asked the Government of Nicaragua to look into that
and to investigate and find out whether, indeed, there might be some of
these that have gone missing or might be in the wrong hands. Yeah. Okay, sir. QUESTION: On Kosovo, Mr. Boucher, any response to my pending
question since January 25th regarding Kosovo, the International Crisis
Group propose sovereignty leading to independence. Serbia-Montenegro
proposed today, as you are talking, partition. (Inaudible) proposed that
Kosovo must remain a provision of Serbia and that Kosovars could live
comfortably there, as other minorities all over the world, like the
Albanians in this country, and the Greeks in Albania. What is the U.S.
position? MR. BOUCHER: The U.S. position on Kosovo is the international
position on Kosovo. We think it would be premature at this time for the
U.S. to begin discussing future status options for Kosovo. We support the
UN Security Council Resolution 1244 and the UN Security Council way ahead
that's been -- the way ahead that's been endorsed by the UN Security
Council. That way ahead calls for a comprehensive review of Kosovo's progress on
the standards for Kosovo around mid-2005. If that review is positive, then
the international community will begin a political process to talk about
Kosovo's future status. So we encourage Kosovo to continue to work to
implement all the standards, and we think that more remains to be done in
that regard, but we'll see where we are when we get to the mid-year
review. QUESTION: And if I may, Mr. Boucher, you don't be afraid that in
case of independent Kosovo would create a precedent and the Albanians
would have a free hand to grab more land from neighboring areas like FYROM
and Montenegro? MR. BOUCHER: We haven't come to these status issues yet and I'm
sure all the proper factors including the neighborhood will be considered.
QUESTION: On Cyprus, may I? MR. BOUCHER: Sure. QUESTION: Okay. Your written statement January 25th on the
illegal property transactions in the occupied territory of Cyprus by
Turkey is considering by the Nicosia as an attachment to the website,
www.kofiannanplan.com, which means clearly permission of this mess. How do
you respond to this criticism on your statement? MR. BOUCHER: Is there really a www.kofiannanplan.com or is that
-- QUESTION: That's exactly the question because -- it's an
attachment? Otherwise, is your attaching this statement the Annan plan?
MR. BOUCHER: What I gave you was the position of the United
States Government. We have always felt that that was -- the questions of
property are duly and appropriately handled in the negotiation. There are
certainly many questions of property that are dealt with in the Kofi -- in
the Annan plan and we support the Annan plan. But I don't -- if you want
what the UN position is on property transactions, you'll have to ask the
United Nations. QUESTION: One more. And according to the press reports, some of
these illegal property transactions have been already taking place in the
two illegal airports by the Turkish occupation forces stealing the land
belonging to the Greek Cypriot refugees up to the level of 30 percent in
order to build various facilities in those areas. Did you take that into
consideration, your policy to terminate the so-called isolation of the
Turkish Cypriots? MR. BOUCHER: Property issues are, of course, important, but as I
said before, they need to be dealt with in the context of a final
agreement. QUESTION: Back to the Middle East. Can you tell about this
warning from the American Embassy in Kuwait of a possible attack? MR. BOUCHER: I'm sorry, there -- QUESTION: There's a warning from the U.S. Embassy that there
might be attack on Kuwait. MR. BOUCHER: Is there a Warden Message in Kuwait that you guys
know of? QUESTION: Yeah. MR. BOUCHER: Oh. QUESTION: It just came before I came here, so I don't know if
you have more details on this. MR. BOUCHER: Oh. Well, I'm sorry I don’t have it, but we'll
check on it. I'm sure it's widely available. They try to make those things
available. QUESTION: (Inaudible) the Freedom House held a panel this week
talking about the recent designation of Russia as not free. And a lot of
the panelists were advocating that Russia be taken out of the G-8 or that
the U.S. raise this idea of Russia -- Russia's going to be the host of the
G-8 summit in 2006, I believe. And also, I guess, assuming the presidency
of the G-8, and a lot of the panelists at the Freedom House panel were
saying that the United States should raise this issue with Russia before
allowing Russia to assume the presidency. MR. BOUCHER: I haven't seen a press conference yet or anything,
but if you're asking about democracy issues, if you're asking about status
of freedom in Russia, judicial issues and things like that, the United
States does raise these, has raised these consistently, at all levels.
The President is now preparing, looking forward to seeing President
Putin in Europe later this month, and I'm sure the whole gamut of areas of
issues with Russia will come up: The issues where we cooperate, where it's
important to both our interests to work together and where we do work very
well together; but also, the issues where we have concerns, the President
himself has concerns. So I'm not sure at this point whether it's time to raise it in the G-8
context. The British are currently the head of the G-8 for this year and,
you know, we'll see if they suggest this. But the issues, the fundamental
issues that are being talked about: The issues of freedom, the issues of
judicial procedure and judicial independence, the issues of democracy, are
being raised with Russia, will continue to be raised with Russia. QUESTION: You don't know if it's ever been raised or if anyone
has -- if it's on the table or being raised in the G-8 context? MR. BOUCHER: I think all the G-8 nations in various ways have
expressed concerns about some of these developments in Russia. We've
certainly talked about developments in Russia with all the G-8 members at
every level. QUESTION: Senator Kennedy is in the process now of giving a
speech in which he's calling that the current course that the
Administration is making in Iraq right now is only making it worse. And in
fact, he's asking for the Administration to redefine not only the military
presence, but the political presence in that area. Given the very tough
questioning that the Secretary went over with Senator Kennedy, what sort
of chance would it be that she would be listening to Senator Kennedy's
advice on what he believes should be done in that area? MR. BOUCHER: We all listen very carefully to everything that
members of Congress have to say. QUESTION: And what is your reaction to this call? MR. BOUCHER: That we'll listen very carefully to whatever
members of Congress have to say. But there's an election Iraq on Sunday.
The Iraqi voters will define the kind of government they want to take them
forward. They will define the kind of representation that they want to
move them forward in writing a constitution; and it's in their hands to
define their political future. Okay. We're almost done here? Joel, go. QUESTION: Richard, today is the 60th anniversary of the
liberation of Auschwitz and there are world leaders attending that
particular -- MR. BOUCHER: Including Vice President Cheney. QUESTION: Right, exactly. And yet the situation in Darfur,
again, is worsened. Government planes were bombing in Darfur from
Khartoum. Under what circumstances would a no-fly zone go into effect
around Khartoum and maybe turn those planes and helicopters over to NGOs
and other similar-type groups? MR. BOUCHER: I think, first of all, you raised a lot of
questions here that I need to deal with bit by bit. The question of the state of affairs in Darfur is certainly one of
great concern to us. We have been appalled by the violent clashes and
blatant violations of the ceasefire that have been happening in Darfur.
All the parties -- the Government of Sudan, the militias that are allied
with the government, and the rebels are to blame for this increasing
violence. It must stop immediately. And as we have always said, people who
are involved in this violence must be held accountable. The African Union
is actively investigating the most recent violence. What we've seen is that the Government of Sudan has conducted aerial
bombings, as you say, of Darfur villages. This is a clear violation of the
N'djamena ceasefire agreement and the Abuja Security and Humanitarian
Protocols that the government has signed and promised to uphold. The Jingaweit militia attacked Hamada, a town there, and killed more
than a hundred people, many of them women and children. Khartoum's callous
attacks call into question its sincerity to abide by the principles and
the spirit of the north-south comprehensive peace agreement that it signed
less than three weeks ago. The Darfur rebels, specifically the Sudan Liberation Army, are also
breaking every promise that they made by their brazen attacks on villages
in recent days -- burning them, killing as many as 20 people. We have
joined with Jan Pronk, the Special Representative of the Secretary General
for Sudan, in expressing our concern about three national staff members of
the Adventist Development Relief Agency International that are presumed to
have been abducted by Darfur rebel groups and have been unaccounted for
since December 16th. Continued targeting of humanitarian workers by all parties violates the
principles of international law, and we expect the government and the
rebels to ensure the safety of humanitarian workers. I would add to this
that the Government of Sudan has apparently arrested Dr. Madawi Ibrahim
Adam, chairman of the Sudan Social Development Organization. We understand
he was taken into custody earlier this week by government security
officials, and we would call for his release. This is an ill-advised
arrest that we think indicates a less than total commitment by the
government to the humanitarian pledges it has made, and we call on the
government to give Dr. Adam immediate access to legal representation and
medical staff. All these developments are disturbing. We are continuing to talk to all
the parties, to work with the Africans and other nations to insist that
the accords that have been signed by the different parties be respected,
to take practical steps to help stop the violence, like continuing the
deployments of African Union troops, and to talk to other parties about
accountability for crimes that have occurred in the past. As you know, the
United States was among the first to call many of the actions in Darfur
genocide and to start to assign blame and responsibility. We sponsored a
UN resolution that produced a UN commission that's been looking into the
atrocities there, and as you all know from the UN and from press reports,
that that commission is nearing the end of the work and we have begun now
to talk to other nations in the Security Council and elsewhere and outside
about how to ensure the accountability that we have insisted upon from the
beginning and that we have insisted upon, that many others have insisted
upon as well. And we think there are various options that the Security
Council needs to consider. So that process is also underway. Yeah. QUESTION: Can I ask you two on that? MR. BOUCHER: Let's -- slowly. Michelle. QUESTION: Just a follow-up, quickly, on that. (Inaudible), of
course, there is a Criminal Court that has broad support in Europe.
Condoleezza Rice is about to go off to Europe. Shouldn't this -- couldn’t
this be an olive branch to Europe if the U.S. would agree to see these
Darfur crimes? MR. BOUCHER: Our position on the international court has not
changed. I think -- I guess what I would say is there are a number of
options, and we think the Security Council; when it gets this report, in
order to ensure proper accountability, look at a range of options, look at
the various options that are available. And we have begun our -- begun
some discussions with other nations about how accountability can be
ensured for the atrocities, the crimes and indeed, the genocide that has
occurred in Darfur. QUESTION: But the ICC is not one of the options the U.S.-- MR. BOUCHER: We have not been supporters of the ICC, no. QUESTION: Secretary Powell said in September that genocide had
occurred in Darfur. Do you believe it is still occurring? MR. BOUCHER: I know this is the question we get every time we
talk about atrocities and violence. We talked about the patterns of
violence that had occurred. We talked about the government attack and the
-- in coordination with the militias and said that those constituted
genocide. We have seen that pattern repeated. But I would also point out
this UN commission is completing its further investigation. We, ourselves,
have continued to report, whether it's in public or to the Congress, on
the violence and atrocities and the patterns of attacks that have
occurred. And we will look to see what kind of conclusions this UN
commission draws in terms of war crimes, specific crimes like genocide.
QUESTION: But you're not willing or able to say whether it is
continuing, this genocide? MR. BOUCHER: I would say that those patterns of attacks that we
said constituted genocide, and we've seen that pattern continued. And that
-- I'd leave it at that at the moment, yeah. QUESTION: Are we moving any closer towards the imposition of
sanctions, whether it be with the Security Council or unilaterally? MR. BOUCHER: Oh, that's right. That was sort of the last part of
his question that I forgot to answer. We are discussing with other
governments also, the issue of how to move forward in the United Nations
to increase the pressure on the parties to abide by their commitments that
they have made. And indeed, you'll remember from the previous resolutions
that the United States has drafted and sponsored that we've said we
thought it was important for the Council to consider further measures
should the parties not abide by their commitments. QUESTION: But you have already, as we just said, Secretary
Powell told Congress that he believes that genocide has occurred. So, are
you kind of committed to just working through the Security Council on the
imposition of sanctions or are there any unilateral measures that the U.S.
can impose? MR. BOUCHER: I think every time you've asked that question
before of us or the Secretary, we've had to point out there are, frankly,
sensitive restrictions already on U.S. relationships with Sudan, with the
government in Khartoum and elsewhere. But we're always looking to make any
pressures or measures effective, and they're more effective if they're
done internationally. So I'm sure we'll look at whatever we can do. And
there is legislation that asks us to look at specific things that we can
do to encourage the government, to pressure the government and others and
the rebels to abide by the ceasefire. So, we'll look at all those options,
simple -- the simplest answer I can give you at this moment. Yeah, sir? QUESTION: With respect to that, would Dr. Rice or now Secretary
Rice consider sending John Danforth back to Khartoum to settle the western
portion with the conflict? MR. BOUCHER: This is her first day. I haven't heard her talk
about anything like that yet. We are looking at how to advance this
matter. The Security Council has a number of issues before it. Our
diplomacy on this is ongoing and active. The United States has been at the
forefront of calling attention to the atrocities and crimes of Darfur.
We've been at the forefront of seeking accountability in Darfur and we
will continue to do that. We have also been at the forefront for the last several years of
helping the Africans bring peace to the country as a whole, and we hope
that that development, indeed, can contribute to bringing peace to Darfur
as well. QUESTION: Another Palestinian civilians, including children,
yesterday -- a seven-years-old girl was killed by the Israeli army. That
now goes into a number -- that's numbering, like, in the hundreds now of
children that have been killed by Israelis. Were the Israelis celebrating
with other countries, including the United States, the memory of victims
-- the Jewish victims during the Second World War? Is Dr. Rice going to
address this issue to refrain Israel from committing more acts of killing
civilians during her visit and talks with the Israelis? MR. BOUCHER: The issues of security for all people in the --
Israel and the West Bank are paramount. We understand that Israelis and
Palestinians, alike, want to be able to lead normal lives. They want to be
able to bring up their children in safety and have an opportunity for
prosperity. Those issues are at the core of everybody's lives, but also at
the core of the search for peace. And she will address with the parties
how to achieve peace for all the people who live in that region. QUESTION: Thank you. QUESTION: Mr. Boucher, on Cyprus, one more question. January
10th, Paul Kelly, Assistant Secretary for Legislative Affairs in a letter
in my possession to a number of members of the U.S. Congress regarding the
illegal airport, saying, inter alia, "There has been no change in
our policy of recognizing the Republic of Cyprus, as the Government of
Cyprus know -- is there any attempt to undermine the legitimate and legal
sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus." But his statement contradicts your
policy, vis-à-vis to the illegal airports and seaports for the termination
of the so-called isolation of the Turkish Cypriots, which -- not actually
undermines the sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus. How do you comprehend those totally difference actions? MR. BOUCHER: I have told you -- QUESTION: Yeah. MR. BOUCHER: -- a thousand times -- QUESTION: Yes, and -- MR. BOUCHER: --and I will tell you again today that we recognize
the Government of the Republic of Cyprus. We are not changing that
question of recognition, nor have we been asked to change that question,
that issue of recognition. The steps that we intend to take to ease the
isolation of the Turkish Cypriots, the steps that we have taken and are
taking did not, in any way, change that recognition policy. That's what
Assistant Secretary Kelly said in the letter. That is entirely consistent
with what I have told you here 1,001 times, and what we will tell you
tomorrow. QUESTION: No, these actions -- MR. BOUCHER: Nor is it contradicted by the policies that we have
undertaken, okay? We've got one more over here. QUESTION: German Chancellor Schroeder this week called on all
friends to strictly rule out any military option when it comes to dealing
with Iran's nuclear ambition. Do you have any reaction to that? MR. BOUCHER: No, I don't. I think our position has been made
clear. We are supporting European efforts to end Iran's programs that are
intended to develop nuclear weapons. The President has expressed himself
many times on this, talked about it again yesterday in his interviews and
his press conference. There's no doubt about our support for this
diplomatic solution. The President has made that very, very clear. But at
the same time, in no situation do we take options off the table. Thank you. (The briefing was concluded at 1:50 p.m.) Released on January 27, 2005 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||